Comments on: UFC 87 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/ The official Matt Hughes weblog Thu, 16 May 2013 07:20:47 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Melissa http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-112 Melissa Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:42:20 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-112 I was fans of both fighters going into the fight. I have now totally lost all RESPECT for B.J and some of his fans that want to claim less then a pinky dab of Vaseline is the reason why GSP won. come on people. First for the commissioner to listen to a fan about this is outrageous. This is the stupidity. Yes illegal is illegal and if (IF) it was done on purpose then that someone who did it should suffer then consequences. But I don't think it was done to give GSP an edge. He doesn't need it. He is the Best! He is the fighter to beat. B.J should stayed in his own weight class. He wasn't conditioned good enough. He was toast after the first round. He had no more juice in him. He stopped the fight so I guess this is a way for him not to go out like a punk. Everyone should be focusing on how much of a good fighter GSP is and not this stupid Vaseline crap. I was fans of both fighters going into the fight. I have now totally lost all RESPECT for B.J and some of his fans that want to claim less then a pinky dab of Vaseline is the reason why GSP won. come on people. First for the commissioner to listen to a fan about this is outrageous. This is the stupidity. Yes illegal is illegal and if (IF) it was done on purpose then that someone who did it should suffer then consequences. But I don’t think it was done to give GSP an edge. He doesn’t need it. He is the Best! He is the fighter to beat. B.J should stayed in his own weight class. He wasn’t conditioned good enough. He was toast after the first round. He had no more juice in him. He stopped the fight so I guess this is a way for him not to go out like a punk. Everyone should be focusing on how much of a good fighter GSP is and not this stupid Vaseline crap.

]]> By: NO WAY http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-99 NO WAY Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:10:40 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-99 Come on people. GSP dismantled Penn from go and the controversy is over vaseline? WTF? Whatever happened to 'GSP was on that night?' Georges went in for the clinch and from the get go he dominated Penn. From what i saw, Penn was basically trying to hold on to stop St.Pierre from passing the guard. That's not strategy people, that's desperation. Believe me i was cheering for Penn and waiting for the fight to turn around but BJ did NOT stand a chance, straight up and down GSP mugged him in public. I hope Penn takes this defeat as a wake-up call to treat every opponent seriously and not goof off when it's time to train. There is no way in hell that fight should have been so one-sided. GSP just wanted it more and nobody (not even you haters, yeah i mean you) should deny him that. Come on people. GSP dismantled Penn from go and the controversy is over vaseline? WTF? Whatever happened to ‘GSP was on that night?’

Georges went in for the clinch and from the get go he dominated Penn. From what i saw, Penn was basically trying to hold on to stop St.Pierre from passing the guard. That’s not strategy people, that’s desperation. Believe me i was cheering for Penn and waiting for the fight to turn around but BJ did NOT stand a chance, straight up and down GSP mugged him in public.

I hope Penn takes this defeat as a wake-up call to treat every opponent seriously and not goof off when it’s time to train. There is no way in hell that fight should have been so one-sided. GSP just wanted it more and nobody (not even you haters, yeah i mean you) should deny him that.

]]> By: Kyle http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-97 Kyle Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:44:11 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-97 Does anyone have any clue how vas works??? ... I would have gotten all over Penn as well and would have more just as big of a disadvantage to GSP when he went for takedowns and Penn using his sprawling to stop the takedowns GSP could have slipped off.. Same if Penn tried to from guard to take GSP's back, GSP would have a difficult time holding on to him.. this is bull and Penn like always is just looking for an excuse Does anyone have any clue how vas works??? … I would have gotten all over Penn as well and would have more just as big of a disadvantage to GSP when he went for takedowns and Penn using his sprawling to stop the takedowns GSP could have slipped off.. Same if Penn tried to from guard to take GSP’s back, GSP would have a difficult time holding on to him.. this is bull and Penn like always is just looking for an excuse

]]> By: RichardYo http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-92 RichardYo Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:09:43 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-92 GSP won fair and Square...Come on people hey rubbed the vaseline off!...He way more athletic then Penn...didnt ya'll watch Prime?...GSP Striaght training. GSP won fair and Square…Come on people hey rubbed the vaseline off!…He way more athletic then Penn…didnt ya’ll watch Prime?…GSP Striaght training.

]]> By: sala http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-91 sala Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:42:07 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-91 b j penn deserved the beating, this guy talks a lot of ****, thinks he is king**** and is making excuses for his loss. GSP will beat him again with or without vaseline b j penn deserved the beating, this guy talks a lot of ****, thinks he is king**** and is making excuses for his loss. GSP will beat him again with or without vaseline

]]> By: Shelly http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-90 Shelly Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:40:45 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-90 Dan Omega is SO incredibly intelligent with his observations that many other people have over-looked! the vaseline IS a product that would've ended up on BOTH of the fighters! There would be no way that little "wah-wah" Pen would've gone to his corner between rounds and not said something to his corner-man about how GSP felt "slippery" or that even THEY wouldn't notice if Penn also felt slippery due to the contact with the vaseline! Not only that, but when the fight was stopped, it was NOT due to tap out or knock out. Penn was at the corner - and the corner-man and the medics stopped the fight. DO you people REALLY honestly think the doctor would be allowed to stop the fight if Penn had any gas to continue going, or had any ground to tread on by saying that the fight was being affected by illegal actions of his opponent? of course not! he has too big of an ego, and he's MUCH too proud! He would've been pitching a FIT... you know, the kind that a 2 year old makes when they're in line at Wal-mart and mommy won't let them have candy. This is what Penn is good for. Send his ass back to Hilo! Dan Omega is SO incredibly intelligent with his observations that many other people have over-looked! the vaseline IS a product that would’ve ended up on BOTH of the fighters! There would be no way that little “wah-wah” Pen would’ve gone to his corner between rounds and not said something to his corner-man about how GSP felt “slippery” or that even THEY wouldn’t notice if Penn also felt slippery due to the contact with the vaseline! Not only that, but when the fight was stopped, it was NOT due to tap out or knock out. Penn was at the corner – and the corner-man and the medics stopped the fight. DO you people REALLY honestly think the doctor would be allowed to stop the fight if Penn had any gas to continue going, or had any ground to tread on by saying that the fight was being affected by illegal actions of his opponent? of course not! he has too big of an ego, and he’s MUCH too proud! He would’ve been pitching a FIT… you know, the kind that a 2 year old makes when they’re in line at Wal-mart and mommy won’t let them have candy. This is what Penn is good for. Send his ass back to Hilo!

]]> By: kRiS-tYaHn http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-89 kRiS-tYaHn Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:35:48 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-89 First things 1st, when u look at the video u will see that GSP's trianer barely has any vaseline left on his hands b/c he puts the vaseline on the top part of the hand, with that said watch Nurse rub GSP with his palms, but even if there were vaseline on his palms there sure as hell wasnt enough to make any difference in that fight. 2ndly, GSP was rubbed down by the commission worker after each round, so there was no vaseline on him when he fought. 3rdly look at the sweat dripping off of these 2 fighters theres no way vaseline could of done any difference, even Rogan says after the 1st round of every fight he says its alot harder to get a guy in a submission b/c of the sweat, check every PPV every UFC Rogan has done and u will hear him say that over and over again. 4thly like someone else mentioned y didnt BJ notice b/c his legs and arms wuld of been covered in vaseline, but since he bever said anything is b/c there wasnt any there 2 start with. QUIT crying BJ and ur dumb ass fans, u got spanked big time. OK well if they want a rematch I'm sure GSP will have no problem going in there a 3rd time with even more to prove & I can guarantee you that BJ will not last t'll the 4th round, I dare BJ to ask 4 a rematch, I hope he does then GSP can be the only man to have beatin BJ 3 times and twice by embaressment. As 4 u morons who think GSP knew what his corner guy was doing.... ARE U FUCKING stupid?!? hes listening to the coach and has his mind on BJ, especially since in every fight u see people rubbing GSP and helping him breathe after each round, go check his fights stupid... so to say GSP knew there was vaseline is a good excuse & it jsut makes u BJ fans & BJ look even more pathetic and even more ignorant if thats even possible. WAA WAAA WAAA I got my ass handed to me after I talked all this ****, waaaaaaa lol looks good on u BJ F@G, didnt hear u at the end of the fight or didnt see u at the press conference lol, remember making fun of GSP in the 1st fight?!?!?! lol Karma bitch Karma & to QUIT lol u had ur brother quit 4 u, thats how much of a pussy u are. Enjoy those razor blades BJ enjoy thme bc ur going to be eating them for months to come, if I were u BJ i would hide out in Hawaii for months. b/c even I feel emabressed 4 you. GSP is KING P4P #1 lol too bad Penn fans ur boy got schooled by a guy who has been fighting half the time BJ has been OUCH. U sure BJ got his Black Belt in BJJ?!? b/c GSP sure made BJ look like he didnt, pass, pass, pass...... Rogan "he passes when he wants to, this is uncredible" lol lsoers!!! First things 1st, when u look at the video u will see that GSP’s trianer barely has any vaseline left on his hands b/c he puts the vaseline on the top part of the hand, with that said watch Nurse rub GSP with his palms, but even if there were vaseline on his palms there sure as hell wasnt enough to make any difference in that fight. 2ndly, GSP was rubbed down by the commission worker after each round, so there was no vaseline on him when he fought. 3rdly look at the sweat dripping off of these 2 fighters theres no way vaseline could of done any difference, even Rogan says after the 1st round of every fight he says its alot harder to get a guy in a submission b/c of the sweat, check every PPV every UFC Rogan has done and u will hear him say that over and over again. 4thly like someone else mentioned y didnt BJ notice b/c his legs and arms wuld of been covered in vaseline, but since he bever said anything is b/c there wasnt any there 2 start with. QUIT crying BJ and ur dumb ass fans, u got spanked big time. OK well if they want a rematch I’m sure GSP will have no problem going in there a 3rd time with even more to prove & I can guarantee you that BJ will not last t’ll the 4th round, I dare BJ to ask 4 a rematch, I hope he does then GSP can be the only man to have beatin BJ 3 times and twice by embaressment. As 4 u morons who think GSP knew what his corner guy was doing…. ARE U FUCKING stupid?!? hes listening to the coach and has his mind on BJ, especially since in every fight u see people rubbing GSP and helping him breathe after each round, go check his fights stupid… so to say GSP knew there was vaseline is a good excuse & it jsut makes u BJ fans & BJ look even more pathetic and even more ignorant if thats even possible. WAA WAAA WAAA I got my ass handed to me after I talked all this ****, waaaaaaa lol looks good on u BJ F@G, didnt hear u at the end of the fight or didnt see u at the press conference lol, remember making fun of GSP in the 1st fight?!?!?! lol Karma bitch Karma & to QUIT lol u had ur brother quit 4 u, thats how much of a pussy u are. Enjoy those razor blades BJ enjoy thme bc ur going to be eating them for months to come, if I were u BJ i would hide out in Hawaii for months. b/c even I feel emabressed 4 you.

GSP is KING P4P #1 lol too bad Penn fans ur boy got schooled by a guy who has been fighting half the time BJ has been OUCH. U sure BJ got his Black Belt in BJJ?!? b/c GSP sure made BJ look like he didnt, pass, pass, pass…… Rogan “he passes when he wants to, this is uncredible” lol lsoers!!!

]]> By: Jim http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-88 Jim Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:24:17 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-88 I like both fighters. BJ is a natural fighter and it's fun to watch him work...when he's on his game. GSP is a monster. Maybe he doesn't have the instincts BJ does, be he more than makes up for it with his work ethic and almost obsessive desire to improve. That said, I'm pretty disappointed in BJ. This is just another example of his half-assed approach to training and I guess it ultimately reflects on his fighting judgement. He should never have climbed into the octagon with GSP without being absolutely RIPPED and ready for war. While he was taking 5 days off, laying around the beach, banging his old lady, GSP was in the gym. That right there made all the difference. Skill didn't have anything to do with this fight. GSP's strategy was to sit on BJ until he was tired...and it worked. BJ deserves this loss. Hopefully it will wake him up. GSP deserves this victory. It is a testament to hard work and determination. That said, this issue about the Vaseline. That cornerman should be banished from the UFC and GSP should be fined for allowing it to happen. I'm sure GSP didn't think anything of it, probably didn't even realise it was happening, but he is the fighter, his reputation is on the line, and he is ultimately responsible for anything that happens in the octagon. Watching the replay, I don't see how the cornerman did it any way but deliberately. It neutralized the one slight chance BJ had to pull off a victory--a hail-mary submission. If anyone thinks that it wasn't done delibarately, regardless of which fighter they were routing for, they need to have their head examined. It was insurance, plain and simple. Think about it. How many fights have we seen, one fighter really just kicking the living crap out of another...only to be inexplicably submitted? No matter how you slice it, that cornerman is a douche and should be banned from all future UFC events. Honestly, I'd be surprised if GSP hasn't already kicked that guy's ass up and down the block. GSP dominated every aspect of that fight, powering through every guard BJ threw at him from his back, and to have the victory tainted even the SLIGHTEST BIT ought to piss him off. I like both fighters. BJ is a natural fighter and it’s fun to watch him work…when he’s on his game. GSP is a monster. Maybe he doesn’t have the instincts BJ does, be he more than makes up for it with his work ethic and almost obsessive desire to improve.

That said, I’m pretty disappointed in BJ. This is just another example of his half-assed approach to training and I guess it ultimately reflects on his fighting judgement. He should never have climbed into the octagon with GSP without being absolutely RIPPED and ready for war. While he was taking 5 days off, laying around the beach, banging his old lady, GSP was in the gym. That right there made all the difference. Skill didn’t have anything to do with this fight. GSP’s strategy was to sit on BJ until he was tired…and it worked. BJ deserves this loss. Hopefully it will wake him up. GSP deserves this victory. It is a testament to hard work and determination.

That said, this issue about the Vaseline. That cornerman should be banished from the UFC and GSP should be fined for allowing it to happen. I’m sure GSP didn’t think anything of it, probably didn’t even realise it was happening, but he is the fighter, his reputation is on the line, and he is ultimately responsible for anything that happens in the octagon. Watching the replay, I don’t see how the cornerman did it any way but deliberately. It neutralized the one slight chance BJ had to pull off a victory–a hail-mary submission. If anyone thinks that it wasn’t done delibarately, regardless of which fighter they were routing for, they need to have their head examined. It was insurance, plain and simple. Think about it. How many fights have we seen, one fighter really just kicking the living crap out of another…only to be inexplicably submitted?

No matter how you slice it, that cornerman is a douche and should be banned from all future UFC events.

Honestly, I’d be surprised if GSP hasn’t already kicked that guy’s ass up and down the block. GSP dominated every aspect of that fight, powering through every guard BJ threw at him from his back, and to have the victory tainted even the SLIGHTEST BIT ought to piss him off.

]]> By: Jack http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-87 Jack Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:20:38 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-87 All you guys are discussing a fight that wasn't even announced on ESPN. This was no impact on the sporting world. Saturday night was filled with boring fights, a lot of hugging and falling and trying to get someone into a head lock. ZZZZZZZ boring! I want the UFC to go back when it was a tournament and no rules, no time limits and the fight keeps going until a knock out or submission. There is a saying, "Can't make it in boxing, join MMA." All you guys are discussing a fight that wasn’t even announced on ESPN. This was no impact on the sporting world. Saturday night was filled with boring fights, a lot of hugging and falling and trying to get someone into a head lock. ZZZZZZZ boring! I want the UFC to go back when it was a tournament and no rules, no time limits and the fight keeps going until a knock out or submission. There is a saying, “Can’t make it in boxing, join MMA.”

]]> By: Rach http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/2008/08/08/ufc-87/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Rach Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:48:51 +0000 http://matt-hughes.com/blog1/?p=195#comment-86 I cannot believe that we are discussing about GSP cheating. He is the most honorable guy in the UFC. He would have also told the guy to stop it if he would have felt that anything was about cheating.... please get over it. Even talking about it must be hurting GSP. The best man won and also.... I don't that BJ took the fight seriously. Now please next talk about GSP's next fight!! go Québec go!! I cannot believe that we are discussing about GSP cheating. He is the most honorable guy in the UFC. He would have also told the guy to stop it if he would have felt that anything was about cheating…. please get over it. Even talking about it must be hurting GSP. The best man won and also…. I don’t that BJ took the fight seriously. Now please next talk about GSP’s next fight!! go Québec go!!

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